Warning re emails to/from users with TalkTalk, f2s, Opal, Pipex ...

[Chris Evans]

Warning re emails to/from users with TalkTalk, f2s, Opal, Pipex, gtnet,
gotadsl, nildram & ?

I know many RISC OS users use one of the above ISPs or will be communicating
with users of those ISPs so I hope the following is helpful.

I have just discovered that due to incompetence at TalkTalk they are now
throwing away many genuine emails. False positives will happen, but to throw
them away, and not tell anyone of the changes raises my blood pressure

f2s customers were migrated to a new 'customer area/ webmail system I think
on about 3rd February, they have changed my antispam setting (without
telling me) so that it is now 'Extreme' which is making a lot of false
positives and worse than that they are moved into a separate mailbox and
deleted when they are 10days old. I have lost forever all false positives
found between 3rd and 12th February.

I suspect some other ISPs now owned by TalKTalk will be due to move to the
new system soon.

If you sent us an email this month that hasn't been replied to please resend


Other bugs/problems with the new system:

You can't set a spam retention date for more than about 30 days (enter 50
and it says you can't set it to greater than 254!)

Some links to webmail in the members are fall over

Falls over when selecting options in a mail box (I was hoping that I could
change the number of emails listed so that I didn't need to go through 17
pages of 20 emails in one mailbox)

In the user area some some features say 'coming soon'... why migrate to a
incomplete system

f2s also gave you up to 5? emails address in the form of
***@f2s.com I can't see the list anymore of those in the members
area

Another bug when logging into webmail it seems to display an empty inbox but
to actually see your REAL inbox you need to click on the inbox icon near the
top!

Webmail is via netmail.pipex.net ! I don't think F2s, Opal (The business
side of f2s) or TalkTalk have ever mentioned migrating to pipex...

When creating new email addresses in my subdomain , they now insist on at
least five characters before the @. They have managed to transfer over
***@cjemicros.f2s but won't let me create any new short addresses

We have other antispam filtering courtesy of purley hosting which has been
doing a very good job with comparatively little spam getting through and few
false positives which we can access via a much more friendly spam bin than
TT/F2s's. More details at the end.

If it wasn't for the hassle I'd move sooner rather than later.

Interesting Headers from a false positive:

Purley's version of SpamAssin gave the email a score of -13.082 i.e.
definitely not spam
TalkTalk's version of SpamAssin gave the same email a score of 4.4 i.e. spam

Received: (qmail 3796 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2011 14:06:11 -0000
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on
as006.apm-internet.net
X-Spam-Score: 4.4
X-Spam-Report:
* 2.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL Soft fail on SPF database
* 1.8 DKIM_ADSP_DISCARD No valid author signature, domain signs all mail
* and suggests discarding the rest
* 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
* 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily
* valid
* 0.0 LOTS_OF_MONEY Huge... sums of money
* 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid
* 0.5 ADVANCE_FEE_2_NEW_MONEY Advance Fee fraud and lots of money
X-Spam-Relay-Country: GB GB GB US

Purleys version of SpamAssin (No vers. no. given) added:

X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached,
score=-13.082, required 6, autolearn=not spam,
ADVANCE_FEE_2_NEW_MONEY 0.50, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,
HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HEAD 0.82, LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI -5.00, SPF_PASS -0.00, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL -7.50)

Chris Evans

[Brian Carroll]

Post by Chris Evans
Warning re emails to/from users with TalkTalk, f2s, Opal,
Pipex, gtnet, gotadsl, nildram & ?

Thank you for this warning. I am one of those migrated from f2s.

[Snip]

Post by Chris Evans
f2s customers were migrated to a new 'customer area/ webmail
system I think on about 3rd February, they have changed my
antispam setting (without telling me) so that it is now
'Extreme' which is making a lot of false positives and worse
than that they are moved into a separate mailbox and deleted
when they are 10days old. I have lost forever all false
positives found between 3rd and 12th February.

I have not been able to get into the webmail area, but I do not
use it habitually. I have no idea what, if anything, I have lost
and as far as I can see I have no way to find out.

The reliabilty of the ADSL connection has been dreadful since the
change over at the beginning of February. There is an apologia
on the TalkTalk web site 'Service Status' but I do not understand
it. With f2s my fixed-address connection remained 'up' for weeks
on end, but now I have to de-power the router (which is always
on) nearly every time I switch on the computers and wait for a
connection to be established. Sometimes this is more or less
immediate, sometimes it needs many refresh attempts.

Is Zen still the ISP of choice for reliability? I think I shall
be forced to move despite the hassle :-(

[Snip]

Brian.

[Ollie Clark]

Post by Brian Carroll
Is Zen still the ISP of choice for reliability? I think I shall
be forced to move despite the hassle :-(

I've got no complaints since moving to them from Demon (spit) about
2 years ago. The worst I've had is losing my connection a few times.
It usually comes back before I've managed to walk upstairs to reset
the router but once it took two resets and around five minutes to
get a connection back. This coincided with very heavy rain...

Unfortunately we had a small power outage yesterday so my router
uptime is only 29 hours. I expect it was around 100 days before
that.

It really wasn't much hassle moving to them. I already use a non-ISP
email address so that was fine. I just had to change my IP
address in a few scripts elsewhere so they could continue to connect.

AAISP also have a good reputation but I have no personal experience.

Cheers,

Ollie

[Brian Carroll]

Post by Ollie Clark

Post by Brian Carroll
Is Zen still the ISP of choice for reliability? I think I
shall be forced to move despite the hassle :-(

I've got no complaints since moving to them from Demon (spit)
about 2 years ago. ...

[Snip]

Post by Ollie Clark
It really wasn't much hassle moving to them. I already use a
non-ISP email address so that was fine. I just had to change
my IP address in a few scripts elsewhere so they could
continue to connect.
AAISP also have a good reputation but I have no personal
experience.

Thanks for your comments, Ollie. Unfortunately I am using an
ISP-owned domain so I shall have a great many re-registrations of
a new email address, not to mention email correspondents. That's
the hassle I am thinking of, not having to amend my connection
scripts :-(

Brian.

[Chris Hughes]

Post by Brian Carroll

Post by Ollie Clark

Post by Brian Carroll
Is Zen still the ISP of choice for reliability? I think I
shall be forced to move despite the hassle :-(

I've got no complaints since moving to them from Demon (spit)
about 2 years ago. ...

[Snip]

Post by Ollie Clark
It really wasn't much hassle moving to them. I already use a
non-ISP email address so that was fine. I just had to change
my IP address in a few scripts elsewhere so they could
continue to connect.
AAISP also have a good reputation but I have no personal
experience.

Thanks for your comments, Ollie. Unfortunately I am using an
ISP-owned domain so I shall have a great many re-registrations of
a new email address, not to mention email correspondents. That's
the hassle I am thinking of, not having to amend my connection
scripts :-(

So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to the
new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every month
if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless of ISP.

I use O2 as my ISP, if you have an O2 mobile you can get a £5 a month
discount off broadband. They are rated one of the best ISP's.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to the
new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every month
if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is simpler and
you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust leaving you with no
working email address at all. That really would be painful...

Changing from only having a specific ISP-based email address - in my case a
demon subdomain - took me ages to do, with lots of people to tell and lots
of websites I'd registered with using the old address to reregister with.
But putting something like this off doesn't make it easier to contemplate.

You need to get a domain, choose someone to handle its email - possibly your
current ISP, though not necessarily - and start the migration process. Once
it's done, and you've run the new & old systems in parallel for a while and
you think everyone who has to know knows the old addresses are kaput, then
you pull the plug on the old ISP.

I use separate organisations to provide internet connectivity, nntp news,
and hosting email on my publically-known email addresses. If any one of
these goes under, I don't lose everything.

[Mik Towse]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to the
new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every month
if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is simpler and
you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust leaving you with no
working email address at all. That really would be painful...

It really doesn't need to be painful. If you host your domain with a hosting
company rather than your ISP, then no migration is necessary. Should you wish
to move to a new ISP, you don't need to change anything for your domain.

I've had xemik.com since 1998 & had 5 ISPs in that time. Only the first
(Argonet & Real Ingenuity) hosted the domain. It was a nightmare moving it,
so I decided to set up my own hosting company. ;-) So all the other ISP moves
were totally painless on my email addresses.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Changing from only having a specific ISP-based email address - in my case a
demon subdomain - took me ages to do, with lots of people to tell and lots
of websites I'd registered with using the old address to reregister with.
But putting something like this off doesn't make it easier to contemplate.

But if you use MPro & the transport of your choice (for example) it shouldn't
be a big a problem. I use Hermes, which logs in to all my mailboxes
automatically. I still have ISP based addresses which I never use, but get
the occasional ISP msg. Hermes logs in without any intervention from me &
MPro sticks it in my domain based incoming folder.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
You need to get a domain, choose someone to handle its email - possibly
your current ISP, though not necessarily - and start the migration process.

A decent hosting company will provide all you need to do this yourself, but I
don't see it as a migration, tho'. It's rather like having a landline which
keeps dropping calls (say), so you buy a mobile & ask ppl to ring that
instead. You can still use both, but would rather ppl used your mobile to
call you.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Once it's done, and you've run the new & old systems in parallel for a
while and you think everyone who has to know knows the old addresses are
kaput, then you pull the plug on the old ISP.

Or just let it muddle along in the background. :o)

[snip]

[Steve Fryatt]

On 3 Mar, Mik Towse wrote in message

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Changing from only having a specific ISP-based email address - in my
case a demon subdomain - took me ages to do, with lots of people to tell
and lots of websites I'd registered with using the old address to
reregister with. But putting something like this off doesn't make it
easier to contemplate.

But if you use MPro & the transport of your choice (for example) it
shouldn't be a big a problem. I use Hermes, which logs in to all my
mailboxes automatically. I still have ISP based addresses which I never
use, but get the occasional ISP msg. Hermes logs in without any
intervention from me & MPro sticks it in my domain based incoming folder.

But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that your address has
changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not pointing Hermes at a new POP
box.

And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of ensuring that
everyone is using your portable domain.

[Alan Adams]

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 3 Mar, Mik Towse wrote in message

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Changing from only having a specific ISP-based email address - in my
case a demon subdomain - took me ages to do, with lots of people to tell
and lots of websites I'd registered with using the old address to
reregister with. But putting something like this off doesn't make it
easier to contemplate.

But if you use MPro & the transport of your choice (for example) it
shouldn't be a big a problem. I use Hermes, which logs in to all my
mailboxes automatically. I still have ISP based addresses which I never
use, but get the occasional ISP msg. Hermes logs in without any
intervention from me & MPro sticks it in my domain based incoming folder.

But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that your address has
changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not pointing Hermes at a new POP
box.
And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of ensuring that
everyone is using your portable domain.

When I migrated from Freeserve I put a filter into MPro so that
anything sent to my freeserve address went into its own folder. I
could then send each of the people there (those who I wanted to know,
not the spammers) a message telling them what my new address was.

Hermes can pick up mail from multiple servers at once, so keeping
parallel systems running is not a problem.

[Mik Towse]

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 3 Mar, Mik Towse wrote in message

Post by Mik Towse
But if you use MPro & the transport of your choice (for example) it
shouldn't be a big a problem. I use Hermes, which logs in to all my
mailboxes automatically. I still have ISP based addresses which I never
use, but get the occasional ISP msg. Hermes logs in without any
intervention from me & MPro sticks it in my domain based incoming folder.

But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that your address has
changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not pointing Hermes at a new POP
box.

No, of course, not, but that's not the point. The point is that you can set
up a new domain & associated email address to co-exist with your current
email address.

Post by Steve Fryatt
And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of ensuring that
everyone is using your portable domain.

Sure, but you can do this at your leisure once you've set up your new domain.
If you want to keep tabs on who's still using your old email address, you can
easily filter them to a different folder.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Steve Fryatt
But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that your address
has changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not pointing Hermes at a new
POP box.

No, of course, not, but that's not the point. The point is that you can
set up a new domain & associated email address to co-exist with your
current email address.

Yes, but it's that long-term migration that follows that takes ages to do.
Not all of them can be achieved merely by sending an "I've changed my
address" email. In my case I had to reregister at unmpteen websites as
well.

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Steve Fryatt
And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of ensuring that
everyone is using your portable domain.

Sure, but you can do this at your leisure once you've set up your new
domain. If you want to keep tabs on who's still using your old email
address, you can easily filter them to a different folder.

This "at your leisure" is the long-term migration that I decribed as
painful, which you seem to think wasn't.

It was precisely because things could tick along in parallel that it took me
so long to work through the long list of contacts & registrations needing
migrated. (I chose at the same time to give many people & websites separate
addresses, rather than handing out the same value to lots of them, so that
when any one of them gets compromised I no longer need to tell everyone that
my address has changed again; I just revise that one person/site's address).

[Chris Evans]

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 3 Mar, Mik Towse wrote in message

Post by Mik Towse
But if you use MPro & the transport of your choice (for example) it
shouldn't be a big a problem. I use Hermes, which logs in to all my
mailboxes automatically. I still have ISP based addresses which I never
use, but get the occasional ISP msg. Hermes logs in without any
intervention from me & MPro sticks it in my domain based incoming folder.

But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that your address has
changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not pointing Hermes at a new POP
box.

No, of course, not, but that's not the point. The point is that you can set
up a new domain & associated email address to co-exist with your current
email address.

Post by Steve Fryatt
And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of ensuring that
everyone is using your portable domain.

Sure, but you can do this at your leisure once you've set up your new domain.
If you want to keep tabs on who's still using your old email address, you can
easily filter them to a different folder.

The longer you leave it the more sites/accounts etc you will have to update.
Start a.s.a.p. and as is suggested above, run both side by side until you
have notified everyone.

Chris Evans

[Brian Carroll]

In article <***@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <***@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

Post by Steve Fryatt
But it doesn't magically tell all your correspondents that
your address has changed. It's /that/ which takes ages, not
pointing Hermes at a new POP box.
And if you /don't/ tell everyone, it negates the point of
ensuring that everyone is using your portable domain.

Exactly! Previous experience of changing from Argonet to
Freedom2Surf was horrific and took months. The worst part is
re-registering on web sites.

Thanks for everyone's comments: I know what has to be done but
shrink from starting to do it.

Brian.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to the
new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every month
if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is simpler
and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust leaving you
with no working email address at all. That really would be painful...

It really doesn't need to be painful. If you host your domain with a
hosting company rather than your ISP, then no migration is necessary.
Should you wish to move to a new ISP, you don't need to change anything
for your domain.

You've jumped a step. The painfaul part is getting to have your own domain
in the first place. I was a demon user at first, which meant I did not have
my own domain, just a subdomain of demon. That is, I was

anythingIwanted @ mysubdomain.demon.co.uk

When I got my own 'wingsandbeaks.org.uk' domain I had to migrate all users
of my demon addresses over to wingsandbeaks. Far from 'no migration is
necessary', it took me months to achieve it all.

[Chris Evans]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to the
new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every month
if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is simpler
and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust leaving you
with no working email address at all. That really would be painful...

It really doesn't need to be painful. If you host your domain with a
hosting company rather than your ISP, then no migration is necessary.
Should you wish to move to a new ISP, you don't need to change anything
for your domain.

You've jumped a step. The painfaul part is getting to have your own domain
in the first place.

Getting the domain should be easy, it is the migration that is a pain in the
posterior!

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I was a demon user at first, which meant I did not have
my own domain, just a subdomain of demon. That is, I was
When I got my own 'wingsandbeaks.org.uk' domain I had to migrate all users
of my demon addresses over to wingsandbeaks. Far from 'no migration is
necessary', it took me months to achieve it all.

Chris Evans

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to
the new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP
every month if you wanted the email address would stay the same
regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is
simpler and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust
leaving you with no working email address at all. That really would
be painful...

It really doesn't need to be painful. If you host your domain with a
hosting company rather than your ISP, then no migration is necessary.
Should you wish to move to a new ISP, you don't need to change
anything for your domain.

You've jumped a step. The painfaul part is getting to have your own
domain in the first place.

Getting the domain should be easy, it is the migration that is a pain in
the posterior!

I meant to say "getting your own domain and having it fully working" ie
having completely taken over from the previous isp-fixed subdomain. I was
responding to Mik's statement that susbequent moves were easy - which they
are. The painful part is EVERYTHING you need to do to be able subsequently
to move at the drop of un chapeau.

[Mik Towse]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I meant to say "getting your own domain and having it fully working" ie
having completely taken over from the previous isp-fixed subdomain. I was
responding to Mik's statement that susbequent moves were easy - which they
are.

Which is why (as someone else pointed out) it's better to do it sooner rather
than later.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
The painful part is EVERYTHING you need to do to be able subsequently
to move at the drop of un chapeau.

LOL Can't argue with that, but isn't it better to get a domain now & take
(say) 6 months to sort it out at your leisure, rather than do nothing & be in
the same situation you are currently in, 6 months down the line? This was
really the point I was trying to get make; badly it would seem. :o(

It's not really that expensive to have your own domain these days & it never
ceases to amaze me how many businesses don't have a domain & use hotmail (or
whatever) for their email address. Even worse, they have a domain & /still/
use a hotmail address. I mean, how hard is it to forward emails from a domain
address /to/ hotmail? No one need ever know.

Mik

[Chris Evans]

... it never
ceases to amaze me how many businesses don't have a domain & use hotmail (or
whatever) for their email address. Even worse, they have a domain & /still/
use a hotmail address. I mean, how hard is it to forward emails from a domain
address /to/ hotmail? No one need ever know.

I wonder if companies using hotmail etc accounts realise how unprofessional
it looks.

Chris Evans

[Russell Hafter News]

Post by Chris Evans

... it never ceases to amaze me how many businesses
don't have a domain & use hotmail (or whatever) for
their email address. Even worse, they have a domain &
/still/ use a hotmail address. I mean, how hard is it
to forward emails from a domain address /to/ hotmail?
No one need ever know.

I wonder if companies using hotmail etc accounts realise
how unprofessional it looks.

I understood that at one time hotmail accounts were
officially not available to business users, though how it
would have been policed I have no idea!

Given that ISP hosting a domain always provides the info
needed on how to use e-mail addresses at that domain, I have
always been amazed at the number of hotels etc that I work
with who have their own domain, but advertise an e-mail
address @t-online.de or @gmx.de.

About once a year a hotel gets around to changing from that
to an e-mail address at their domain.

[Mik Towse]

In article <***@walkingingermany.invalid> Russell Hafter News
wrote:
[snip]

Given that ISP hosting a domain always provides the info needed on how to
use e-mail addresses at that domain, I have always been amazed at the
number of hotels etc that I work with who have their own domain, but

But the domain is often not hosted by the ISP. You see the likes of @gmx.de,
because the owner doesn't know how to set up an email address or even how to
forward one. Coincidentally, I have a few B&B clients & 'the internet' is
almost always off their radar. They only have a domain because they thght
they should & have no idea what to do with it.

About once a year a hotel gets around to changing from that to an e-mail
address at their domain.

LOL I have clients who insist on using their Gmail/Hotmail account. I always
encourage them to create an email address on their domain & forward to their
account if they really /must/ use it.

Of course, most also only want to use Webmail, too & haven't a clue what an
email client is. This can cause problems on ROS, because Webamil doesn't
always work well with ROS browsers. However, I've found TapirMail to be an
excellent ROS alternative to Webmail.

[Russell Hafter News]

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Russell Hafter News
About once a year a hotel gets around to changing from
that to an e-mail address at their domain.

LOL I have clients who insist on using their
Gmail/Hotmail account. I always encourage them to create
an email address on their domain & forward to their
account if they really /must/ use it.

I see that too.

I recently started to work with a fair sized 3* hotel in a
smaller German city, still a major tourist centre.

The sales manager has his own e-mail
***@hotel-aaaa-bbbbb.de.

But the return receipts come from gmail.

[Chris Evans]

Post by Mik Towse
[snip]

Given that ISP hosting a domain always provides the info needed on how to
use e-mail addresses at that domain, I have always been amazed at the
number of hotels etc that I work with who have their own domain, but

because the owner doesn't know how to set up an email address or even how to
forward one. Coincidentally, I have a few B&B clients & 'the internet' is
almost always off their radar. They only have a domain because they thght
they should & have no idea what to do with it.

About once a year a hotel gets around to changing from that to an e-mail
address at their domain.

LOL I have clients who insist on using their Gmail/Hotmail account. I always
encourage them to create an email address on their domain & forward to their
account if they really /must/ use it.
Of course, most also only want to use Webmail, too & haven't a clue what an
email client is. This can cause problems on ROS,

Not sure what 'ROS' stands for in this context!

Post by Mik Towse
because Webamil doesn't
always work well with ROS browsers. However, I've found TapirMail to be an
excellent ROS alternative to Webmail.

Chris Evans

[Mik Towse]

[snip]

Post by Chris Evans

Post by Mik Towse
Of course, most also only want to use Webmail, too & haven't a clue what
an email client is. This can cause problems on ROS,

Not sure what 'ROS' stands for in this context!

RISC OS - I thght I'd at least /try/ to get back on topic.

Post by Chris Evans

Post by Mik Towse
because Webamil doesn't always work well with ROS browsers. However, I've
found TapirMail to be an excellent ROS alternative to Webmail.

Didn't TapirMail given the game away? ;-)

[Chris Evans]

Post by Mik Towse
[snip]

Post by Chris Evans

Post by Mik Towse
Of course, most also only want to use Webmail, too & haven't a clue what
an email client is. This can cause problems on ROS,

Not sure what 'ROS' stands for in this context!

RISC OS - I thght I'd at least /try/ to get back on topic.

That did cross my mind.

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Chris Evans

Post by Mik Towse
because Webamil doesn't always work well with ROS browsers. However, I've
found TapirMail to be an excellent ROS alternative to Webmail.

Didn't TapirMail given the game away? ;-)

I vaguely remembered the name but thought it was a recommended PC client.

I've found details and a download (V1.04 2005) at:
http://www.flypig.co.uk/tapirmail/download.htm


Chris Evans

[Martin Wynn]

Post by Chris Evans

... it never
ceases to amaze me how many businesses don't have a domain & use hotmail (or
whatever) for their email address. Even worse, they have a domain & /still/
use a hotmail address. I mean, how hard is it to forward emails from a domain
address /to/ hotmail? No one need ever know.

I wonder if companies using hotmail etc accounts realise how unprofessional
it looks.

To be honest I would be very, very reluctant to do business with any
business/company that had a "free" email account (Hotmail, Yahoo etc.)

Martin

[Mik Towse]

Post by Martin Wynn

Post by Chris Evans
I wonder if companies using hotmail etc accounts realise how
unprofessional it looks.

To be honest I would be very, very reluctant to do business with any
business/company that had a "free" email account (Hotmail, Yahoo etc.)

Same here. I suppose you /can/ get away with it for B&B, but for
plumbers/builders etc, it implies a cowboy.

Post by Martin Wynn
--
Martin Wynn, Newport, Shropshire.
A. HTML.
Q. What are the two most annoying things about emails?

Brilliant! It took me a while to get it, though. D'oh... :-/

[Tim Hill]

Post by Martin Wynn

Post by Chris Evans

... it never ceases to amaze me how many businesses don't have a
domain & use hotmail (or whatever) for their email address. Even
worse, they have a domain & /still/ use a hotmail address. I mean,
how hard is it to forward emails from a domain address /to/ hotmail?
No one need ever know.

I wonder if companies using hotmail etc accounts realise how
unprofessional it looks.

To be honest I would be very, very reluctant to do business with any
business/company that had a "free" email account (Hotmail, Yahoo etc.)

Or even on paper flyers shoved through the door (which says 'no flyers'!)
for window cleaners, car washers, builders etc. If all it has is a mobile
number and/or hotmail email, it goes straight in the bin. (Land line
number and your name and address please or I won't do business with you,
never mind about your silly email address which only reveals you as an
internet novice perhaps. It doesn't mean you can't wash cars, say.)

How many more Limited Companies will I have to remind that their
communications should bear their registered address, irrespective of the
email address they use?

One thing I learnt is that using the 'correct' domain to receive email
and then replying from another can cause confusion in recipients or at
least, end up in their mis-named 'spam' bin. A note to new customers with
their first response is probably a good idea. (I say that I reply from a
different address for 'security reasons' which usually stalls further
questions.)

AFAICT, if you want to use GoogleMail on your Android phone you have to
reply from a gmail or googlemail address so maybe we shouldn't be sniffy
about gmail which in any case is more professional that Hotmail which has
far too many false positives and negatives with spam to be more than an
annoying toy.

A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to send email via
various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted differently) using one email
client and transport. Can anything do that?

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Tim Hill
Or even on paper flyers shoved through the door (which says 'no flyers'!)
for window cleaners, car washers, builders etc. If all it has is a mobile
number and/or hotmail email, it goes straight in the bin.

I think that's a little harsh, especially in these straitened times. The
people who've produced the flyers have spent money on them, possibly
employed a local jobbing printer to produce them, and are at least showing
some initiative and effort to find more work. Don't you admire that?

Post by Tim Hill
(Land line number

Many people don't have a land line. Why would they need that and a mobile
too?

Post by Tim Hill
and your name and address please or I won't do business with you,

Fair enough for tradesmen, but for labourers?

Post by Tim Hill
never mind about your silly email address which only reveals you as an
internet novice perhaps.

They're not trying to be net savvy, they're looking for work. And probably
trying to limit their overheads.

[snip]

Post by Tim Hill
A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to send email via
various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted differently) using one email
client and transport. Can anything do that?

You're conflating two issues here. There's no need to send mails using
different ISPs; you only need one SMTP gateway to send mails from, and it
doesn't matter who runs it provided you're authorised to logon to it. It
has nothing to do with whether the owner of that service is an ISP or not,
or whether they are (one of) your ISPs or not, or whether you're using a net
connection provided by them. It's just a network service which you login to
and send data to.

Of course if they are unreachable, it's useful to have the baility to log in
to some other SMTP service to send mails, but they also don't need to be
tied to your ISP etc.

For example, I'm using a Virgin Media cable connection, but sending my mail
through a secure SMTP server provided by the company who host my domain.
There's no correlation between my domain being with them and my mail being
sent via them, technically, it's just that they're the service I've chosen
to login to for sending mail (and having a domain means I've paid for use of
their SMTP server if I choose to use it).

Until quite recently I had accounts with VM, A&A and Demon, but have shed
the last of these. I could send mails with VM (blueyonder), Demon or my
domain -type addresses via any of the three companies' outgoing servers.

[Tim Hill]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
Or even on paper flyers shoved through the door (which says 'no
flyers'!) for window cleaners, car washers, builders etc. If all it
has is a mobile number and/or hotmail email, it goes straight in the
bin.

I think that's a little harsh, especially in these straitened times.
The people who've produced the flyers have spent money on them,
possibly employed a local jobbing printer to produce them, and are at
least showing some initiative and effort to find more work. Don't you
admire that?

No. Any fool can do that and many do. Of course, the printer should be
advising them to include name, address and land-line but has a vested
interest in it not being too successful.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
(Land line number

Many people don't have a land line. Why would they need that and a
mobile too?

Professional Businesses need a land line. Some still need fax machines.
Broadband?

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
and your name and address please or I won't do business with you,

Fair enough for tradesmen, but for labourers?

Doubly so.

[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to send email
via various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted differently) using one
email client and transport. Can anything do that?

You're conflating two issues here.

Not really.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
There's no need to send mails using
different ISPs;

Not different connections, no. I have to use different SMTP servers
though: each one happens to belong to a different ISP.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
you only need one SMTP gateway to send mails from, and
it doesn't matter who runs it provided you're authorised to logon to
it. It has nothing to do with whether the owner of that service is an
ISP or not, or whether they are (one of) your ISPs or not, or whether
you're using a net connection provided by them. It's just a network
service which you login to and send data to.

In theory perhaps.

The SMPT gateways I have access to always screen the 'from' address so I
can only send email 'from' domains which 'belong' to that server. Those
servers won't accept mail from domains it doesn't 'host'. This is a
common security measure apparently. I did ask!

It's also a sales pitch: why don't you move that domain to us?

[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Until quite recently I had accounts with VM, A&A and Demon, but have
shed the last of these. I could send mails with VM (blueyonder), Demon
or my domain -type addresses via any of the three companies' outgoing
servers.

If "quite recently"="some time ago" I would agree but I have not been
able to do that for several years. I need a mail transport which will
send differently domained mail to different SMTP servers over one
connection. I could probably do it by having two email apps and two mail
transports working in independent pairs but that would defeat the object
of using one email client for everything.

It's silly really because we have no trouble receiving multi-domain mail
from multiple POP servers. I guess that nobody saw the domain check
coming.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Tim Hill
Professional Businesses need a land line.

Why?

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to send email
via various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted differently) using one
email client and transport. Can anything do that?

You're conflating two issues here.

Not really.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
There's no need to send mails using different ISPs;

Not different connections, no.

I said nothing about conenctions. ISP <> connection necessarily.

Post by Tim Hill
I have to use different SMTP servers though: each one happens to belong to
a different ISP.

You don't HAVE to, from a technical standpoint - perhaps with exception of
anyone who's forced to use (via VPN) a corporate mail system to originate
mails from, which is a different issue anyway.

Just because you may have domains or ISPs or whatever who practise a basic
security limitation on outgoing email addresses doesn't mean that there are
not other providers who authenticate senders in other ways.

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
you only need one SMTP gateway to send mails from...

In theory perhaps.

There's no perhaps about it. It works.

Post by Tim Hill
The SMPT gateways I have access to always screen the 'from' address so I
can only send email 'from' domains which 'belong' to that server.

Find a better provider then.

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Until quite recently I had accounts with VM, A&A and Demon, but have
shed the last of these. I could send mails with VM (blueyonder), Demon
or my domain -type addresses via any of the three companies' outgoing
servers.

If "quite recently"="some time ago"

I shed Demon about 6 months ago.

Post by Tim Hill
I would agree but I have not been able to do that for several years. I
need a mail transport which will send differently domained mail to
different SMTP servers over one connection.

Or, a better SMTP provider, perhaps one that's more business than home-user
orientated?

Post by Tim Hill
I could probably do it by having two email apps and two mail transports
working in independent pairs but that would defeat the object of using one
email client for everything.

I don't know about RO mail transports these days, but I have no problem
having multiple configured SMTP accounts (though only one enabled at
present) in Intellegit's Windows/Mac/Linux version of Messenger Pro.

[Tim Hill]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
Professional Businesses need a land line.

Why?

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to send
email via various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted differently)
using one email client and transport. Can anything do that?

You're conflating two issues here.

Not really.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
There's no need to send mails using different ISPs;

Not different connections, no.

I said nothing about conenctions. ISP <> connection necessarily.

Indeed. 'Connection' was they conclusion I thought you (or a reader) may
have jumped to.

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill
I have to use different SMTP servers though: each one happens to
belong to a different ISP.

You don't HAVE to, from a technical standpoint -

Form a technical standpoint _I_ can't! None of my SMTP providers accept
email from ***@any. I understand that some can (or used to). However, I
can access my SMPT servers over one connection so what I was asking was
whether such a transport existed? A solution which will send different
messages via different SMTP.

I will investigate the possibility of finding an SMTP provider which
accepts ***@any. Any suggestions?


[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I have no problem having multiple configured SMTP accounts (though only
one enabled at present) in Intellegit's Windows/Mac/Linux version of
Messenger Pro.

If you have several enabled at once, how is mail sent?

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I have no problem having multiple configured SMTP accounts (though only
one enabled at present) in Intellegit's Windows/Mac/Linux version of
Messenger Pro.

If you have several enabled at once, how is mail sent?

I don't have several enabled at once. I only need any one of them to be
working at any time.

[Tim Hill]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I have no problem having multiple configured SMTP accounts (though
only one enabled at present) in Intellegit's Windows/Mac/Linux
version of Messenger Pro.

If you have several enabled at once, how is mail sent?

I don't have several enabled at once. I only need any one of them to
be working at any time.

I realise that. I was curious as to the outcome if that /wasn't/ the case.

[John Sandford]

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
I have no problem having multiple configured SMTP accounts (though
only one enabled at present) in Intellegit's Windows/Mac/Linux
version of Messenger Pro.

If you have several enabled at once, how is mail sent?

I don't have several enabled at once. I only need any one of them to be
working at any time.

I realise that. I was curious as to the outcome if that /wasn't/ the case.

Theres an option in each email "account" to set the smtp server to use.

John

[Russell Hafter News]

Post by Tim Hill
A pity that I have never found a way on RISC OS easily to
send email via various ISPs (i.e. using domains hosted
differently) using one email client and transport. Can
anything do that?

Not sure if I understand you correctly Tim, But like you I
am a long standing Pluto user with a number of different
domains for my business, plus six other private ISPs.

This is my situation...

www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk and
www.walking-in-germany.co.uk have always been hosted by
Orpheus.

www.cycling-in-germany.co.uk, www.walking-in-alsace.co.uk,
www.walking-in-austria.co.uk, www.walking-in-belgium.co.uk,
and www.walking-in-luxembourg.co.uk after doing the rounds
of various hosting forms are now all hosted by Purley
Hosting.

ADSL and PSTN are provided by the Phone Coop, who also
provide three private e-mail addresses, and I have e-mail
and dialup accounts with another UK ISP (not unrelated to
the subject of this thread (!)), two ISPs in Germany and one
each in France and Belgium.

There are historical reasons for the number of ISPs, but
having got them I keep them all ticking over.

... and this is what I do.

Pluto has no difficulty dealing with most of the users,
though it is limited to 32 of these, and I do have to fiddle
around and add / delete the occasional user.

POP3 and SMTP is via POPStar 2.06-ds.5 which does SMTP
authentication.

While the Phone Coop's (and before that Orpheus') SMTP
server accepted e-mail from all my domains and e-mail
addresses I now send everything via one of my German ISPs
using SMTP Authentication, as it has proved very reliable.

I already had to have something like this in place when
doing mobile e-mail under GPRS using diferent countries SIM
cards, and also when using WiFi connections with a windows
netbook.

The German ISP is vr-web.de - the Germans here will
recognise it as associated with the German Cooperative
Banks. It is a very small player these days and is
'considering its future', but I suspect that its commitment
to security is better than some ISPs.

I can also send, using SMTP Authentication, via Purley
Hosting, my other German ISP, the Belgian ISP, and the last
time I checked, Virgin (though I have not used the mail box
I have/had with them for some considerable time and so the
log in may have lapsed). Orpheus does not seem to do SMTP
Authentication at all.

On my RPC I keep a link to the POPStar Choices file, which
has all the details for all the SMTP Srervers in it, but
commented out.

The active SMTP server details are uncommented.

If I ever need to change server, it is a simple matter of
deleting four '#' characters and typing another four in,
then reloading POPSstar's configuration from the Icon Bar
menu.

This may, or may not answer Tim's question, but if not,
maybe some of it will be helpful to someone.

Certainly I wish I had been aware of all this some years ago
as it would have saved me considerable hassle at various
times in the past!

[Tim Hill]

In article <***@walkingingermany.invalid>,
Russell Hafter News <***@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[snipped]

Post by Russell Hafter News
This may, or may not answer Tim's question, but if not,
maybe some of it will be helpful to someone.

I have tried the (un)commenting of things in POPStar too but found this
far too cumbersome and very, er, manual. That technique _is_ useful if an
SMPT server goes down, though I have to remember to amend 'from'
addresses for the reasons detailed elsewhere.

What I think is needed is a version of Popstar or similar which first of
all screens email in the outgoing queue for the 'from' domain and sorts
messages into batches for different SMTP servers, then uploads them
automatically as usual.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

Post by Tim Hill
[snipped]

Post by Russell Hafter News
This may, or may not answer Tim's question, but if not,
maybe some of it will be helpful to someone.

I have tried the (un)commenting of things in POPStar too but found this
far too cumbersome and very, er, manual. That technique _is_ useful if an
SMPT server goes down, though I have to remember to amend 'from'
addresses for the reasons detailed elsewhere.

The point is that if you have accounts with providers who are more flexible
in the way they authenticate access to their SMTP servers, you don't need to
alter any addresses.

[Tim Hill]

[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
The point is that if you have accounts with providers who are more
flexible in the way they authenticate access to their SMTP servers, you
don't need to alter any addresses.

The point is we don't, so we do!

Pray tell who these SMTP providers are who allow email from ***@any.

[Chris Hughes]

Post by Brian Carroll
[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
The point is that if you have accounts with providers who are more
flexible in the way they authenticate access to their SMTP servers, you
don't need to alter any addresses.

The point is we don't, so we do!

How long a list do you want?

BT (after verifing the addresses to be allowed via their website which
has to done once only)
Demon
O2
Virgin
TalkTalk

i.e. most ISP's will allow you send email via their SMTP server
(subject to you have been authenticated to that server) as one of
their customers. The header information in the email will have the ISP
email address as the real sender, but the from detail is anything you
want.

You don't say who your ISP is?

[Steve Fryatt]

On 12 Mar, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Post by Chris Hughes
How long a list do you want?
BT (after verifing the addresses to be allowed via their website which has
to done once only)
Demon
O2
Virgin
TalkTalk

Eclipse (and, presumably, other sections of KCom).
FreeUK (used to, at least).

[Brian Howlett]

Mine (PlusNet) does - I have two domains and PlusNet, BTinternet and
Tesconet email addresses. I can send from any of them using the
PlusNet SMTP server, because it uses SMTP Authentication. I'm sure
there are others.

[Russell Hafter News]

Post by Brian Howlett

Post by Tim Hill
Pray tell who these SMTP providers are who allow email

Mine (PlusNet) does - I have two domains and PlusNet,
BTinternet and Tesconet email addresses. I can send from
any of them using the PlusNet SMTP server, because it
uses SMTP Authentication. I'm sure there are others.

With PlusNet, it apparently depends on the type of account
you have.

I have had a 'free business account' for years (which I
forgot to include in my overlong list of ISPs.

But with that type of account, I cannot use PlusNet SMTP
servers.

The ones that do work for me are:

Purley Hosting
Virgin (as also mentioned by Jeremy)
-------------------------------------------
vr-web.de
freenet.de
-------------------------------------------
scarlet.be

Ones that did not work:

PlusNet (for reasons stated)
Orpheus (do not seem to accept SMTP Authentication, or at
least, not the types that POPStar knows about which are
login, plain, and cram-md5)
Tiscali UK (as was at the time I tried)
Alice (France)

As my ADSL is from the Phone Coop I can also use their
servers without SMTP Authentication. I have not tried adding
authentication to their servers.

When I did use their SMTP servers I had no problems sending
e-mail from any domain or e-mail address, apart from a
couple of days in October 2009: this was when I started to
investigate SMTP Authentication elsewhere.

AIUI Tim has a good relationship with the Phone Coop, even
though he does not get ADSL from them. Maybe he should see
if he can get an e-mail account from them which presumably
would give access to their SMTP servers.

Or talk to neil Spellings at Purley Hosting about the most
cost effective way of getting access to their SMTP servers.

[Barry Allen (news)]

With PlusNet, it apparently depends on the type of account you have.
I have had a 'free business account' for years

You need a 'paid for' account with PlusNet to be able to use their SMTP
server.

Googlemail will allow posting from ***@any but you will need Hermes to
post because of the need for SSL login.

[Tim Hill]

Post by Barry Allen (news)

With PlusNet, it apparently depends on the type of account you have.
I have had a 'free business account' for years

You need a 'paid for' account with PlusNet to be able to use their SMTP
server.
post because of the need for SSL login.

Ah! Now that is interesting. I have a gmail account so will investigate
further.

[Grahame Parish]

Post by Brian Carroll
[Snip]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
The point is that if you have accounts with providers who are more
flexible in the way they authenticate access to their SMTP servers, you
don't need to alter any addresses.

The point is we don't, so we do!

I send all my personal emails from at least six different domains via
Virgin and Messenger filters the incoming mails to the right boxes on
receipt. The boxes are set to send from the correct domains, so no
extra work involved once it was set up.

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

I'm using A&A's - http://aaisp.net.uk/ - outbound server.

I pay £1.20 / month for each of 4 services (so 4.80 in total inc vat) from
them:

- having my domain hosted with them
- DNS
- email (in & out)
- some webspace

Login to the secure smtp server is via a username & password. Most of their
website is written assuming that users will also be using a connection they
provide - in which case a userid & password are not required I think - but
I've never had a connection provided by them.

Though, I think they do offer a dial-in option which I suppose I could use
as a backup but at present I have a free (apart from dial-up costs) account
with yet another isp for that.

Emails to any ISP's technical support staff will soon establish whether or
not they offer this sort of service. However many 'ISP's are set up to sell
to people who expect everything from one provider. You're better to google
for 'mail provider' or 'email hosting' if you want to find more versatile
offerings.


A&A's incoming email processing is only 'average'. I'm expecting sooner or
later to move to an incoming mail provider which offers completely
programmable filters which run on their server - most ISPs/providers only
offer very basic on-server filtering. The provider who've caught me eye for
doing this are: http://www.fastmail.fm I'm not sure whether I'd host my
domain with them or not. They do of course offer outbound SMTP, which I'm
nearly certain is flexible, and pretty cheap too.

[Mik Towse]

In article <***@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill wrote:
[snip]
My ISP is Plusnet & I don't use myPlusnet email address. I only need it to
login to their SMTP servers to be able to send from addresses at xemik.net,
xemik.com, lexi.org.uk & ... well, you get the picture.

And all our hosting packages provide an SMTP server which requires
authentication, but once that's done, you can send from any address. Proper
web hosting can't work any other way (esp' for business orientated hosting).

However, some ISPs won't allow access to their connection unless you use
/their/ SMTP server.

[Mik Towse]

Post by Mik Towse

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one to
the new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP every
month if you wanted the email address would stay the same regardless
of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is simpler
and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust leaving you
with no working email address at all. That really would be painful...

It really doesn't need to be painful. If you host your domain with a
hosting company rather than your ISP, then no migration is necessary.
Should you wish to move to a new ISP, you don't need to change anything
for your domain.

You've jumped a step. The painfaul part is getting to have your own domain
in the first place.

Hardly! If this isn't the /least/ painful part, you are using the wrong
company. I can have a domain up & running in minutes. It can take a few hours
to 'go live', but in most cases the domain is live within the hour.

I was a demon user at first, which meant I did not have my own domain, just
a subdomain of demon. That is, I was
When I got my own 'wingsandbeaks.org.uk' domain I had to migrate all users
of my demon addresses over to wingsandbeaks.

But this has absolutely nothing to do with /getting/ your own domain; this
happens afterwards.

Far from 'no migration is necessary', it took me months to achieve it all.

Neither is this relevant to my comment, since you didn't initially have your
domain. My point was that when your domain is with a hosting company rather
than your current ISP, if you choose to change ISP, you don't have to worry
about 'migrating' your domain, etc.

[M Harding]

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one
to the new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP
every month if you wanted the email address would stay the same
regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is
simpler and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust
leaving you with no working email address at all. That really
would be painful...

It's also extremely cheap. WebTapestry for example charges 2.54 pounds
a year (you can buy registration for 2 years also). But I was advised
to ensure that the domain is registered in your own name (by Nominet?)
and not that of the broker - which was done properly by WebTapestry, a
firm recommended to me by someone in this NG, I found. Change of ISPs
afterwards was a doddle.

On the other hand, forwarding to your ISP from your domain address
does cost slightly more, but it provides the opportunity to have
multiple addresses so that mail from different sources comes into
different boxes - eventually - after much head-scratching while
reading Pluto's setup instructions.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

[Chris Hughes]

Post by M Harding

Post by Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Post by Chris Hughes
So why not get your own domain and only have to change them one
to the new domain and then it does not matter if you changed ISP
every month if you wanted the email address would stay the same
regardless of ISP.

Absolutely. It's a pain migrating, but once you have, life is
simpler and you're not exposed to the risk of your ISP going bust
leaving you with no working email address at all. That really
would be painful...

It's also extremely cheap. WebTapestry for example charges 2.54 pounds
a year (you can buy registration for 2 years also). But I was advised
to ensure that the domain is registered in your own name (by Nominet?)
and not that of the broker - which was done properly by WebTapestry, a
firm recommended to me by someone in this NG, I found. Change of ISPs
afterwards was a doddle.
On the other hand, forwarding to your ISP from your domain address
does cost slightly more, but it provides the opportunity to have
multiple addresses so that mail from different sources comes into
different boxes - eventually - after much head-scratching while
reading Pluto's setup instructions.

Purley Hosting (what used to be Spellings), they don't charge extra
for forwarding your emails. They also know about RISC OS of course.

[Russell Hafter News]

You can only have one supplier of ADSL, true. However,
that is the only aspect of internet connectivity where
there is a restriction.

OK ..... that is the crucial point I had never
appreciated.
[Snip]

Considering my own position, among other domains,
www.walking-in-germany.co.uk is hosted by Orpheus,
while www.cycling-in-germany.co.uk is hosted by
PurleyHosting.

So, going back to my current setup which I outlined
above, could I ask Zen to provide a POP3 mailbox, leaving
the Freedom2Surf/TalkTalk arrangements as they are, but
making little if any use of their POP3?

I take it that at present you are tied in to a contract for
ADSL with TalkTalk for another x months? But when that time
is up you plan to cancel TalkTalk (once you have your MAC
code) and switch to Zen ADSL?

Only Zen can tell you if they will just supply you a mailbox
now, without anything else, but in principle, yes.

Your mail fetcher - POPStar, Hermes etc, can happily
connect to any number of different POP3 boxes. Pluto
then debatches this into the appropriate mailboxes.

Yes, I undestand that. But what about /outgoing/ mail
which goes via TalkTalk? I could ask Zen to provide that
as well but Hermes makes provision for only 1 SMTP
connection (without a reconfigure)

I do not use Hermes so cannot comment, but you will only be
able to use TalkTalk's SMTP server while you have their
ADSL, unless you have access to another SMTP server that
allows you in using SMTP authentication, which I am sure
Hermes must be able to do.

See article <***@walkingingermany.invalid>
for a detailed description of my own setup for SMTP.

You e-mailed me at the beginning of the month with a new
.me.uk e-mail address. Who hosts that for you, TalkTalk? If
you were to move it to Zen, then they would provide you with
SMTP access, I would imagine.

I also have no experience of Zen, but others here have
stated that they are pleased with their service, so perhaps
you need to talk to them and see what they can do for you?